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I thought this was about all the illegible jargon

>" However, various strands of evidence indicate that a"

Strands of evidence? My best guess would be that:

0- this is ai generated slop

1- it's using that watermarking technique

2- it's obviously detectable and degrades quality

3- it's amplified when inferencing on its own content and generates slop


Watermarking doesn't degrade output (this is a provable fact) and it is not detectable by a human reading the text.

I would have more contention with "Dynamic taint", but the paper doesn't appear to be AI slop at all.

As I understand the paper they are saying the reasoning/thinking you see is actually a translation of what is actually going on, and stuff can be lost in the translation. Similar to what was observed in j-space.


Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions, as "strands of evidence" is not a rare turn of phrase and long predates LLMs

https://ludwig.guru/s/strand+of+evidence


With all (a lot?) of this language, it's not that it's using new turns of phrases, it's that it will use the same rare but valid phrases over and over. Everybody has their own speaking patterns. But imagine if one person's idiosyncrasies were everywhere. That's what's happened here.

That doesn't seem that uncommon to me. A lot of people have phrases that they commonly overuse. Sometimes quite dramatically. I wouldn't be suprised if that's even more the case when communicating complex topics since, at least personally, once I find an approach that lets me communicate some difficult part of an argument I tend to reuse it.

if Mickens has fallen and resorted to publishing slop then there is no hope for the rest of us

Hell I'd do it

You can't be a feudal lord if you're forced to accept razor-thin margins (assuming they're positive at all) due to relentless competition

This doesn't make any sense. Americans wield guns against the government literally every day. Usually it's not very widespread or organized, but sometimes it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rebellions_in_the_Unit...

Your list is embarrassing. Since 1973 (I'm not going further back because the recent examples are too bad to bother), there have been:

* 2 land disputes between federal land management and individuals that thought they deserve more rights over federal land. Hardly fighting against an injustice here, were they

* The BLM protests/unrest started by the murder of George Floyd. I don't recall Americans taking up arms against murderous cops, or anyone, really. The closest to arms taking I can remember is an underage guy going to a protest to "protect" against rioters, getting attacked and killing people in response. Hardly anyone fighting against government instilled injustice with their right to bear arms, is it?

* January 6, where a bunch of mentally challenged individuals tried to overturn the election results at the request of the loser of that election. There was no injustice done against the people in question, and they didn't use their arms against it, they just stormed a barely defended building. One of the shittiest coup attempts of all time, and if anything, for furthering injustice and government overreach than anything else.

So no.


Your fixation on "injustice" makes your point unfalsifiable. Any rebellion could be construed as righteous or treasonous. The point is that people really do take up arms against the govt all the time, and that fact has historically had major effects on the conduct of police and politicians

> Your fixation on "injustice" makes your point unfalsifiable

My point is that nobody stands up with arms against injustice in the US.

> The point is that people really do take up arms against the govt all the time

6 times in 50 years, half of which didn't involve any arms? "All the time" might be a stretch.

> that fact has historically had major effects on the conduct of police and politicians

Yes, police have stopped murdering innocent people. Right?


You can't hike up the price on open-weight frontier models. It's a commodity.

Most people do, so the literal interpretation matters a lot

But what's the point of holding something accountable here? Creating an incentive for them to take your needs seriously? Why does an incentive matter if you already know that one has a superior expected outcome?

How about just abolish poverty, so everyone is rich

Potato, potato, wealth is relative.

This is the same faulty standard you constantly hear applied to self-driving cars, where human lives are also often at stake. You don't need the AI to be perfect. You just need it to be substantially better than the average human (which self-driving cars are). Your nurse who's caring for 15 patients at once might not make perfect decisions either. That doesn't categorically disqualify humans from delivering health care

No worries. The US can totally just sanction China into giving up on AI research.

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