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Try 22 years... cause they will be our responsibility for all the years in college and who knows how long after


Well, in the later years at least the micro-management portion is over. If they are at university, and you still need to argue with them about using the washroom rather than dancing around the room... ;-P


Oh yeah, I live in Quebec, things are a bit different, we can drink at 18, school is much, much cheaper too


Hey man thanks for this post and sharing your story... as a father of 3(soon 4) people always are like "oh you have kids???" and think that it is almost always negative...

In the end, we always have to do what we have to do for our kids and whether you are in retail or in a startup its always gonna be hard... but you and I seem to be brave enough to take on that task...

It will be hard but it will also be alot of fun...


It's fun and there is a lot of love.

Wow, 3 soon 4? Awesome and congrats on the new one!


I have 3 kids and about to have one more in a month... people in the tech world act like its so amazing and different... get over it... no matter if you work in retail or work in a shitty work/life balance startup, its the same thing...

Just be thankful we make a bit more then most in the workforce...


I agree it's not more amazing than someone working anywhere else, but startups are often seen as non-sense as you need to work 80 hours a week to get shit done, we were trying to break that a bit and just tell "hey, it's possible, it's not that hard actually!" :)


Correct the work/life is way offset but what about those people who need to work two jobs while their partner is also working...

Lets be realistic, its hard no matter what job you have... anything is possible... its the stigma that is attached to having kids in the tech industry that is the reason why people need to read posts like this...


I agree and not, it's easier for some people, and harder for other.

It is definitely harder for people with lower salaries who needs to have two jobs (I know some!).

It is also easier, at least here in Quebec, for people that works, as an example, for government. They have a lot of vacations, work less hours per week, flexible hours, sick days, etc.

I am glad I work @ Rainforest QA and to have so much flexibility, which makes it easier for me and my wife!


I think there's a big difference. In the tech world, there's this expectation that sometimes you're going to pull all-nighters or work 14 hour days or do sprints or whatever.

If you're working at the mall selling clothing that's pretty unlikely. In my former life in publishing, that was pretty unusual.

It's a cultural thing and it's not strictly relegated to tech, but it's not universal. Plenty of people have reliable 9-5 jobs, Monday-Friday. That's a lot easier to reconcile with parenthood than when there's a huge release sprint and they expect you to work from 9 a.m. Friday to 9 a.m. Sunday or whatever.


That's the expectation in a lot of industries (finance, consulting, law--heck my dad works in public health and he's worked 60-70+ hours most of his career). I worked at a big law firm in New York, and most of the partners had kids. Indeed, my daughter was born a month after I started at the firm. I immediately got put on an internal investigation, where the client was under threat of getting their stock delisted unless we made its auditor happy. It was a "if you're awake, you have to be in the office" situation. Somehow we all managed, despite several people on the team, including the partner, having small kids.

I think the attitude towards kids in the tech industry has more to do with its general youth worship. There's a big attitude shift towards kids from early 20's as you go into early 30's.


I agree, it is a lot of industries. It's not all of them, though, which seemed to be the point to which I responded.

There is always a tradeoff between reliability and availability when it comes to the 20 year old dev and the 35 year old dev.


It's not all of them, but it's a lot of them. In a way, having a professional job gives you a lot of flexibility. You show up 5 minutes late to your retail a few times, and you're fired.


It can be like that in tech or any industry too though, you can get fired after being late, if you have a schedule.


It's really not comparable, at least not in the places I've worked (both in tech and in law). Retail jobs and the like are very strict with schedules. As in counting minutes. Professional jobs give you a lot more flexibility as long as you get the work done. When you're a professional, employers give you a certain amount of slack because it's expensive to fire and replace you. When you're a low-skill worker, it's all zero-tolerance.


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sarcasm is always upvoted... Thanks bro!!!


haha... you are correct... I would think it may be considered more a HTML abstraction which then returns a documentFragment which you can then append anywhere you please...

Though, I would argue, at a javascript level that is what is happening... when you create a DOM, it can be broken down into a JSON data structure...

document.body.attributes returns all attributes... document.body.children/childNodes returns an array of objects(and nodes depending if you use childNodes)...

Just wondering... I didn't like that term either though to be honest... Thank you icedchai...


Yea i got you... that example is a super basic one... But when creating a whole tree, would you want to do the same??? That is alot of createElement and appendingChild you would have to do...

daffl/dform is pretty much the same idea but exclusive to forms... I aim to enable a user to create anything...

And your right, it doesnt add a benefit that would make anyone decide on it... and technically it isnt really syntactical sugar due to the fact that this isnt exclusive to this framework... this is literally the same attributes/properties that creating elements via js gives you... in a way you are more extending if anything...

Although, I would add one thing and that is that the other reason I created such is so everything can be 100% js(trying to think maybe too OO). But I do like that I can create partials in node to include elsewhere if need be...

Also anything still pegged to jquery is kinda ehh in my opinion...

But Thank you very much krapp for the comment...


Also please send an email once the account has been made... I know i made a page... but never received anything about it...


Need a Password retrieval system and the sign up page needs a verify password field... I already lost my password...


This issue was one that I was very surprised with when I first came here myself... I lived all my life pretty much in NYC (Bronx and Manhattan) and at one point it was bad as well but around the time of Giuliani terms', the total visibility of the problem had dropped... but like said from SJ to SF, it is something to get used to...


I hear you but I would suggest that we should not "get used to" homelessness around us. It should bother us enough to prompt us as individuals and a community to come up with solutions that address the problem.

For area companies, the problem can also be seen as an opportunity: CSR (corporate social responsibility) programs can be leveraged to make an difference by supporting the best organizations (shelters, recovery programs, and worker training programs) which I believe will more than pay for itself by gained goodwill through social innovation and impact.

A good starting point for thinking about approaches to social innovation programs on a higher level can be found in this Stanford Social Innovation Review article:

Rediscovering Social Innovation http://www.ssireview.org/articles/entry/rediscovering_social...


Lets just keep going... this is only one stop...


Has any other applicant class done this??? Don't get me wrong but if it wasn't done before I dont know if we should do it now...


I guess we shouldn't ever do anything that nobody else has done before.


haha true but I was thinking more in the line that it would back fire on the idea of not blurting out who some of the possible selected groups are... I thought they were supposed to be unknown until Demo Day...


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