The discussion in this thread doesn't seem to be a level of quality I would expect from Hacker News. Many people attacking a protocol because they don't like how it's being used. It's sad, I was hoping to see something more constructive.

NOSTR is a protocol so there's no entity for you to be bitter with... You can be annoyed at the people who were on there, but that's a different subject. There's probably a better analogy than this, but what you're describing would be like playing soccer and being annoyed that your teammates are furries. Go find another team to play with.

But now imagine that the regulating body of your favorite hobby sport is deeply corrupt and fundamentally profit driven, so while playing with your friends is still fun, just thinking about ever competing at the regional level makes you shiver. [1]

Sure, you can always fork a protocol/not federate with who you dislike etc., but you might find yourself fighting an uphill battle against other people’s experiences and preconceptions. Protocols are ultimately always designed by people too.

[1] Note that I have no experience with either Nostr or professional football, so take this as a purely hypothetical analogy with no relation to real organizations. I have to assume both are lovely passion projects by people that just share a common passion.

Sure, Fifa is quite corrupt. I still like to play soccer with my friends and organized sports in my town. I don't refuse to play the game simply because of Fifa.

This makes no sense. It's a protocol.

It didn't float up from the mariana trench. There's a group of people that are effectively in charge of the protocol.

This in HN, everybody in here has been bitter with a protocol at some point in their career.

But furries are more likely to be skilled at the game :)

i imagine the ball would be deflated by the end ^^

Protocols are always developed by entities. Suppose the protocol changes - who decided that?

About the only ownerless protocol is Bitcoin (not Ethereum, Monero or any other one) and it still has an entity with soft power over it.

if the protocol were to change, clients and relays would have to also be willing to adopt the change, almost if not all of which are open-source and easily forked if a large population did not care to pull in those changes. Sure there's always someone guiding the direction, but I don't know how much better you can get than that.

true... there are many better reasons to leave iOS than for a keyboard

Genuinely excited to see this land! Can't wait to try it out. This could be the last piece of the puzzle to a nearly flawless terminal experience

To purchase goods and services with Bitcoin such as Lightning where fees are negligible. It is indeed being used worldwide. E.g., you can purchase a wide array of things with Lightning at Bitrefill.com

oops, not sure what happened, meant to say "To purchase goods and services with Bitcoin, you would use a layer 2 protocol such as Lightning..."

One of the top comments has a link to a fork in case you haven't seen it

Does anyone know if this will let you search your messages? This is one of the lacking features I've noticed on the Android version of Element is that you can neither bookmark messages nor search throughout the (encrypted?) chat, making it difficult to find messages you want to refer back to.

You can search on the Desktop app, but not sure why you can't on mobile...

just not implemented on mobile yet - sorry. it will be much easier to add for Element X though given the e2ee text indexer (Seshat) is already written in rust and does the right thing though.

Cool, love the project and have had a server running for over a year now! Appreciate your guys' awesome work

thanks :) if the stable EX release works well for you please spread the word - based on the negativity in the rest of the thread we have a lot of trust to regain…

Umbrel, citadel, start9, MASH playbook.

Sorry, on mobile right now, but these are great alternative projects

My intuition is at least in the beginning, but with enough individual data won't you have a model that can generalize pretty well over similar cultures? Maybe moreso for the sheep, just speculating... who knows!