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Can we fix the title? This is clickbait for HN, the actual article's title is "Unsealed Briefs in Authors’ Case v. Microsoft/OpenAI: Top Execs Knew Their Mass Book Piracy Was Illegal And Would Put Authors Out of Work"

Email hn@ycombinator.com and they'll fix it

TFA is by the plaintiff. This is PR spin, not click bait.

Regardless, the HN guidelines are clear that editorializing the title is inappropriate in a submission.

> And the problem with the first one is that as more and more people want to do that, who is going to work for them? the opressed youth :)

If only youth unemployment isn't a serious issue in modern societies.

In reality, maybe AI robots.


That's the question the article was trying to answer.

>>> "If you don't allow firms to hire immigrant workers, they just become smaller firms," Lewis said. "They are not replaced with US workers. Instead, the output of the firm shrinks, and there are fewer total workers."

So, no, if they had no choice they just shrink their operations, it seems. The apparent conclusion is that immigration bans will just force those companies to reduce operations or shut down, instead of paying higher wages to locals.


In this experiment, only some firms lost access to foreign labor.

The outcome could have been different had all of them lost access due to a foreign labor ban.


Japan and now China, have used automation rather than the importation of foreign workforces. China, according to many accounts, is doing quite well compared to other world economies, Japan is not too shabby either and moreover are not suffering from increased effects of importing foreign labor --China is noticing which path is more harmonious for its people.

They could open subsidiaries in other countries instead. Corporations are multinational entities.

The context is literally the line quoted from the article, which made it reasonably clear what the word was supposed to mean, and you decided that (1) you understood what they meant, and (2) deliberately tried to bring up an alternative meaning and object to it, and (3) continue arguing why (2) was justified by taking the sentence out of its context (and into your hypothetical context).

This line from quoted from the article?

> security against man-in-the-middle attacks but face the higher probability scenario of losing access to your accounts

The author says "security" against man-in-the-middle attacks. Are they not using the typical cybersecurity-context meaning of "secure" that I just mentioned? (Resistance against exploits, attacks, social engineering, etc.) And note that they say "higher probability scenario of losing access to your accounts" rather than something like "lower security against account loss" which would have been admittedly understandable, but a bit less clear since the more common cybersecurity meaning of "security" was just used.

> deliberately tried to bring up an alternative meaning

I am using the typical understanding of what "secure" means both 1) in the context of the quote from the article you used and 2) generally in the context of authentication methods. Let's not act like I dug up some obscure and irrelevant alternative definition.

> and into your hypothetical context

Is it really so unrealistic and hypothetical to think about how non-technical people (i.e., the vast majority of people) will interpret the at best questionable statement that "passkeys are insecure"? I stand by my claim that most people will get the wrong idea when they hear that.


> if phishing attacks were more common and more damaging than lockout

The calculus changes if the service is a bank or your stock broker, which, if you are in any reasonable jurisdiction, if you can prove your identity (in court) they are legally obliged to ensure they give you back your money.

But, for the vast majority of other internet services... I honestly don't think anyone would want to MITM my instagram account for example.


Nothing survives the xkcd 538 wrench attack.

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

I'm surprised there's no actual commie coming out and claiming the end of capitalism is near. (except maybe me in my personal socials, only larping as a hobby)

I'm toying with the idea that until people realize capitalism is based on an increasingly invalid assumption that "things are scarce", the capitalist-ish economical system will eventually realize that the only scarce things are new, fun and creative ideas, and slowly value them more and more, which kind of might work out if nothing drastic happens between the times of transition.


And by surprised you probably mean "not really surprised" hm?

Just in case btw.: the world tends to get poorer in material ressources since around the 70s e.g. regarding habitable space, harvestable energy and the destruction of the integrity of earths biosphere - lots of things that establish value that is not bound to labour. Knowledgework isn't everything, some tend to forget that.


> ...the capitalist-ish economical system will eventually realize that the only scarce things are new, fun and creative ideas, and slowly value them more and more, which kind of might work out if nothing drastic happens between the times of transition.

The problem (for most of us) is "new, fun and creative ideas" are pretty rare. If a worker has to be a font of them to eat in the new world, not many workers will be eating.

So, no, that won't "work out."


> I'm surprised there's no actual commie coming out and claiming the end of capitalism is near.

Aren't they doing that like literally from the very beginning? I clearly remember Lenin said that capitalism will end in a couple of decades because of electricity.


> I'm surprised there's no actual commie coming out and claiming the end of capitalism is near. (except maybe me in my personal socials, only larping as a hobby)

I'm a (libertarian, free-market) socialist, so not quite communist, but I think the differences are not substantial as far as everyone outside far left circles is concerned. And I've been saying this exact thing since this whole AI wave started.

If there was ever a time to seize the means of production and make them commons, this is it.


Main issue would be impending lack of iOS updates, together with increased risk of zero-days due to AI.


It doesn't even have to be actually sinister, eg.

"Let's crawl the social media of prominent mathematicians in this field to see if we can copy/steal any ideas for low hanging fruits"

That actually might get you quite far already.


A mathematician that doesn't let themselves be inspired by, or learn from, other peoples work, are they really mathematicians?


Sure, you need an OS course, but that's when students should learn C as well.


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