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When you are leading manufacturing power in region and loosing markets to China while allowing external powers to destroy your energy supplies(banning nuclear and blowing Nord Stream 2).

No political bullshit will help with objective reality, being it rightoids who promise "optimizing" social spendings(while leaching on corruption) or leftoids who want to tax the rich(which will just drive factories and businesses to Poland/China/etc).


The destruction of Northstream 2 had no effect at all on the energy supply to Germany. The remaining capacity to Russia was never used over 50%, if that. Considering Russia intentionally drove up prices in the months leading up to the invasion and even rented storage capacity to keep it empty to better blackmail, there never was a sane argument for keeping the gas imports from Russia going.


Limiting supply is limiting bargaining power, you will always end up with better deal even having worse alternative option. As a buyer you want as much supply as possible.


You also want suppliers that are also motivated by financial self interest. Otherwise you end at:

“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.” ― Vladimir Ilich Lenin


You could end the practice of land rent. This would encourage productive activity instead of treading economic water.


If we end rents, who will decide which land belongs to you(Berlin downtown or Shitholeburg province)?


Build enough dwellings for everyone to be able to decide


EU conservatives are just moderate leftists, who cares.


What are you even saying? As a leftist, I want nothing to do with those fascists.


Okay, I am not EU citizen, let's see EPP's manifesto:

As a central part of its campaign for the European elections in 2009, the EPP approved its election manifesto at its Congress in Warsaw in April that year. The manifesto called for:[16]

- Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone (govt universal social investment, left)

- Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies (pro-federal pro-centralisation)

- Increased transparency and surveillance in financial markets(more regulation on market)

- Making Europe the market leader in green technology. (increase govt involvement in economy)

- Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020. (increase govt involvement in economy)

- Family-friendly flexibility for working parents, better child care and housing, family-friendly fiscal policies, encouragement of parental leave. (Pro-Worker's rights, social security)

-A new strategy to attract skilled workers from the rest of the world to make Europe's economy more competitive, more dynamic and more knowledge-driven (Pro-migration)

Could you explain how that's considered right-wing?


> - Creation of new jobs, continuing reforms and investment in education, lifelong learning, and employment to create opportunities for everyone

- Avoidance of protectionism, and coordination of fiscal and monetary policies

- - Making Europe the market leader in green technology.

Market ideology -> Right wing

- Increasing the share of renewable energy to at least 20 percent of the energy mix by 2020.

Done through incentives, not nationalized industry -> market ideology, right wing.

- Family-friendly flexibility for working parents, better child care and housing, family-friendly fiscal policies, encouragement of parental leave

Classic birtherism -> right wing

- A new strategy to attract skilled workers from the rest of the world to make Europe's economy more competitive, more dynamic and more knowledge-driven

Importing cheap labor for European capitalists -> right wing


>Market ideology -> Right wing >Done through incentives, not nationalized industry -> market ideology, right wing.

Yeah, compared to communists they are right, but even socialists does not push against market economy and if you consider socialists right-wing - we have a huge de-sync on definitions level I guess.


I have some bad news for you, the Chat Control was originally brought up by the left. Mainly by Ylva Johansson (Swedish Social Democrat, S&D group). Leftist origin via Johansson/S&D, but later sustained by mainstream centrists and now a watered down version is partly supported by conservatives too.

Left fascism was not so long ago. Think of the woke hysteria, black lives matter, cancelling on twitter, people losing their jobs because of them saying something the left ideology did not like etc.

Left have been and still are viciously hateful and racist towards white people. So if you are left and while, you are basically destroying your own livelihood.

Conservative Poland, Italy and Ireland are strictly against Chat Control. Well, at least against the worse version of it.


Liberals are not leftists ffs. S&D are liberals, if you go to the wiki page you can see that they are labeled centre-left. Centre-left in this case stands for left wing of liberalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wal...

This is an example of party which can be called leftist. It's actually even listed as that on wiki. Minimal condition in general is to be anti-capitalistic.


Okay, since it is already working system - how could I verify it scans for CSAM, not my dissident books and saved eps*ein files?


>CSAM detection systems

Blackboxes which scan your messages and photos for anything 3rd party want with undisclosed criteria.


Yes, indeed.

In principle "for anything 3rd party want" would be illegal in the EU. However, Big Tech clearly doesn't care what's illegal in the EU.

Pertinent to this case: https://stateofsurveillance.org/news/big-tech-defies-eu-law-...

Previously: https://www.edpb.europa.eu/news/french-sa-cookies-and-advert...

Even earlier, when they cared about the law: https://www.trtworld.com/article/13092354


> Blackboxes which scan your messages and photos for anything 3rd party want with undisclosed criteria.

Well the criteria is CSAM?

Do you have any evidence that these systems have been used to imprison someone that wasn't CSAM related?


>Well the criteria is CSAM

Could you confirm that in any way?


A better question is if the government can.

Given that big tech firms keep getting fined for doing stuff like this ("anything 3rd party want with undisclosed criteria"), clearly the answer is "yes, eventually".


No, this is not better question - govts were multiple times caught by hand in cooperating with private companies for surveillance or just breaking the law without any consequences(i.e. germany MITMing jabber.ru hetzner nodes)


It is popular because governments are failed to address legitimate issues and gaslight population.


But the populism doesn't address the issues either and and their incoherent points will make things worse. Just look at the US for example.


Indeed, this happens when you sacrifice public dialog for short-term gains calling everyone who does not agree with your points "far-right", "nazi", "russian asset". There will be literal fascists and people will support them just because they promise(probably bait-and-switch, but does not matter) to address public problems instead of gaslighting that problems are non-existent.


We call them that because it's true. The far right parties don't want to solve problems. They thrive on anger and hate. If they actually would solve something people would stop voting for them. Because anger and hate are the only things they have to offer.

They don't care about solving problems around migrants. It really boils down to people just not wanting brown faces in 'their' streets.


> It really boils down to people just not wanting brown faces in 'their' streets.

Its similar to Trumpism in that sense, if you ask afd voters for example they will talk about migration and crime. Must all be racists. The mainstream discourse ends there.

From a leftist pov I think its the dissatisfaction in the cartel party that makes this scapegoating popular in the first place. There are many meaningful ways that peoples material conditions are worsening, which is ignored by the establishment, then a new party comes along and blames it all on migrants. The fact the afd calls itself "alternative" is telling perhaps, it directly challenges the neoliberal "there is no alternative" (Thatcher) / "alternativlos" (Merkel) doctrine.

Germany almost 4x its defense spending, they spend hundreds of billions on defense while cutting social and infrastructure spending. Germany has neolib austerity literally written into their constitution since 2009 (debt break), interestingly the afd voters believe the inverse, that the german government has been over-spending for decades and there is no austerity which they actually want. But they also believe the cdu are leftists so there is that, just shit in their brains at the end of the day so how do you really make sense of it?


I guess there also were macro-assemblers before C, so it was a bit more natural.


>How do you derive that something is "below average" or "average" or "above average"?

How do you? I mean, that was your point basis.


Yes and US guys are plain wrong on swastika thing - you could even financially support open nazi militants like Azov battalion from most EU countries without any consequences.


Sorry for copypaste, but I still hope people will see true intentions of govt.

Just a recap how it happened in Russia:

1. First, year ~2015 legal framework was created under disguise of banning pirated media(specifically torrents.ru)(legislative push). State-wide DNS ban introduced. Very easy to circumvent via quering 8.8.8.8

2. Then, having legal basis, govt included extra stuff in banned list(casinos, terrorist orgs, etc)(executive push). IP bans introduced, applied very carefully.

3. Legal expanded allowing govt to ban specific media on very vague criterias(legislative push). IP blocks tried on some large websites. DPI hardware mandated to be installed by ISPs to filter by HTTPS SNI(executive push).

4. At ~2019 Roskomnadzor(RKN) created, special govt entity which enforces bans without court orders(legislative push).

5. ~2021 sites become banned if they are not filtering content by Russian laws by request of RKN(executive push). VPN services were obligated to also DPI-filter traffic(legislative push).

6. ~2023 Crackdown on VPN started(executive push). Popular commercial services were IP-banned, OpenVPN and IPSec connections selectively degraded by DPI.

7. ~2025 Heavy VPN filtering(vless, wireguard, etc) introduced(executive push). Performance of certain sites were degraded(youtube, twitter, etc).


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