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Whether you use async or blocking calls you’ll still want to keep IO at your edges otherwise you end up with tightly coupled spaghetti.

Why what benefit has it brought? Mass anxiety?

Yes. In the best possible world AI could enable a much better future, but currently we are on a quite bad trajectory.

Yes, and mass excitement

Don't you mean mass investment?

> what benefit has it brought?

I mean, we have a Millenium problem that is most likely solved. Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could.


We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?

> We should be happy that they’re stealing people’s work?

No. We should credit that work is being done that otherwise may not be. I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm defending AI in general, something both OpenAI and Buckmaster (and his co-author) used.


You literally said they _stole_ the work. Why should we give credit to that?

> You literally said they _stole_ the work

No, I did not. If someone says either X or Y happened, they didn't say X happened.

My exact statement: "Either by OpenAI on its own, OpenAI stealing another's work and finishing it or a researcher using AI to iterate more rapidly than a human alone could" [1]. (Either X, Y [a and b] or Z. An Oxford comma could have helped.)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49671523


So if Y happened (they stole it), why should we be happy about that? Why should we give them credit in the situation where they stole it? Why is that good for society?

No one owns mathematics. It's not covered by IP law.

It's immoral to steal someone's research. Quite sad that you don't believe that.

Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality.

At worst what OpenAI did was inconsiderate, but not referencing prior work is a minor academic sin. This is especially the case when AI is not playing the vanity game that seems to so inflame some mathematicians.


> Yes, let's lie and call something stealing, then pontificate about morality.

We could also acknowledge that everything that could justifiably be considered stealing is not necessarily covered by current statute.


Sure, we can show anything if we're allowed to make stuff up from personal outrage. Why should anyone else consider your personal opinion on this to have any weight?

Oh no, Mr. Internet Rando, don't scold me!

You seem to be a little sensitive about the subject. Which AI firm do you work for?


And you seem to not realize that your unhinged argument impeaches whatever conclusion you're trying to justify. Good points don't require this sort of slimy misrepresentation.

I don't work for any AI company.


It was inconsiderate and it was also stolen, just like everything else OpenAI has stolen to train their models.

Just like using LLMs. Completely optional.

Pure marketing slop.

Dead tech

I’ll say it since no one else is: you don’t have to use LLMs. I still write everything by hand and I’m still shipping as fast as my coworkers.

Other engineering specialties are typically protected under law in many states as well.

I love this guy. I don't want to use this stuff either. It produces a subpar product and way lower quality than I would ever output.

> Good writing requires thinking, reflection, and doing multiple passes

Same with code, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore.


That's because it's cheaper to automate than pay a software engineer. The economics has to make sense. Writing is tricky. Prose quality isn't there yet for many genres. You can tell AI written prose apart. Maybe it won't matter. Maybe there is demand for it even. Or Maybe we will create genre specific finetunes if there is enough demand for it.

> That's because it's cheaper to automate than pay a software engineer

For now. It also seems like we're still paying software engineers.


There's a lot of writing that is meant to be read by humans.

Code's ultimate goal, on the other hand, is to be run by computers.


I highly disagree. Code is still meant to be and still is read more by humans.

Never used it in any of the projects I’ve been on.

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