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I spent some time with Java this summer after several years of Perl, Python, and Common Lisp. I found Java - like Common Lisp - designed with obvious care. It had a clean design which was even, in a strange and minimalist way, beautiful. What it wasn't was powerful.

I thought it took a lot of shoveling code to get anything done, and that was fairly unpleasant to deal with.

I think that if I was starting a greenfield project for a 5+ year codebase which would have to be fairly reliable, cross-platform, and not a Lisp, I would have to choose Java and build my own frameworks for abstractions.



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