I feel that fatalism, especially when people treat it as some sort of personal philosophy, is kind of lazy.

It requires no effort to say "fuck this, nothing matters anyway", and then justify doing literally nothing.

> I feel that fatalism, especially when people treat it as some sort of personal philosophy, is kind of lazy.

I think a lot of fatalism is fake. It's really someone saying "I like this, and I want you to believe you can't change it so you give up."

It also makes no sense! "Fuck this, it doesn't matter - but I'll happily spend effort communicating that to others, because apparently making others not care about something I don't care about is something I do care about." Wut?!

Well, I say it makes no sense. Alternatively, it makes a lot of sense, and these people actually just wanna destroy everything we hold dear :-(

Perhaps the current societal trajectory is destroying everything that they hold dear.

I mean, just look around you.

Then do something about it. Vote for better politicians. Donate money to causes that you think are important. If you think you can do it better, and this isn't meant to be facetious, run for political office.

Being fatalistic can be a great excuse not to do anything.

>Vote for better politicians.

I cannot. I can only vote better politicians if they are there. That is without even going into the minefield of what is "better". My implication is that I have no confidence whatsoever in any current politician in my state.

> Donate money to causes that you think are important.

I have no money.

> If you think you can do it better, and this isn't meant to be facetious, run for political office.

I have no money, no visibility and no connections. Even if I was magically given tons of money, I would still need a strong network to attempt any real change, even without taking into consideration the strong networks already in place preventing it.

Telling random citizens "run for office" is facetious, whether you mean it or not.

> Telling random citizens "run for office" is facetious, whether you mean it or not.

Hard disagree. At least where I live, "random citizens" run for local office and succeed all the time.

Also, complaining that you "have no network" is a you problem, not a system problem. I'm truly sorry if you feel you have no friends, but you'll be better off at least trying to get some (independent of politics). And if that's something you've tried and failed at before, I do feel pity. But I don't think hope is lost for anyone. And even if it were lost, please don't actively spread the misery!

Don't spread the misery?? Wow, fucking thanks.

You are kind of proving my point. You are actively justifying doing literally nothing about what bothers you and acting indignant and self righteous about it.

Apathy has a striking number of motivated evangelists!

This is more cultural rather than rational.

This is the only relevant question. And it leads right to the next one which is “what is a good life?”

But humans have a huge bias for action. I think generally doing less is better.

On the other hand, if a dead person can do it better than you can, it's not that much of an accomplishment.

I didn’t mean that you should strive to do as little as possible; rather that if you have 2 choices, do more or do less - then I would be biased towards doing less. Of course not always a realistic option

> I think generally doing less is better.

My sedentary lifestyle is responsible for my recurrent cellulitis infections.

Just saying.

You can probably find a million situations where doing less is terrible.

I think first step would be to define for yourself what doing less actually means - it could mean taking a walk instead of chasing dopamine -> doing less but you move more.

But whatever it’s a philosophical question and there aren’t any right or true answers

I got hit by a car while out for a run. Just saying.

I think "adapt or die" is the takeaway.

It's fun to pet the cat. It's not fun to rage against an unstoppable force. Well, maybe it is for some people. But I find people often underestimate the detrimental effects.

> Do you want to live forever?

Yes, of course. Do you prefer to die? Those are the only two alternatives, and a decision that you don't want one is a decision that you prefer the other.

No, there is no alternative. Everything eventually dies, so you better make peace with it. The only people who believe that they won't die are religious people who believe in an afterlife (which is a preposterous position) and the people who have their heads or whole bodies frozen because they think they are so special that the future will honor their contracts and revive them.

Both of these are bound to lead to the exact same outcome so it doesn't really matter what you believe but it may guide you to wiser decision while you are alive to accept reality absent proof to the contrary.

s/make peace with it/make war with it/. To the last breath.

I can think of no concept more horrifying than personal immortality and if you disagree I don't think you've thought about it enough.

I'm sorry to hear that you don't want to exist in the future. I do. I have thought about it extensively, and there is literally no scenario in which I consider not-existing better than existing.

There is an essentially infinite amount of creativity and interesting complexity available in the richness of interactions with other people and the things people create. What, exactly, are you "horrified" about?

The difference between "essentially infinite" and "actually infinite". Infinity is a very long time.