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Despite how bad this seems, it's a good thing that barely anyone is dying from war. Even adding up the highest possible estimates, we're doing a hell of a lot better than the 20th century was.


Well over 100,000 Iraqi deaths are attributable to the Iraq War. Additionally, 4,491 U.S. service members were killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Tab...


Hardly any American soldiers. Wars still result in large numbers of other casualties; civilian and military.

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Let's not forget what is happening in Palestine, too. Leaving aside the politics, the casualty counts are definitely asymmetric.


Indeed, the casualties should not be measured in terms of nationality. A death is "the end".. bye bye.. sayonara.. all the politics, culture, social.. etc doesn't matter once death arrives.

May the Almighty be with us all, and help us stop casualties everywhere, no matter the cause.


It's better for a soldier to die than a civilian. This is why they statistics are always separated.


Instead of waiting for divine intervention, why not figure out what you can do about it yourself?


talk about being judgmental.


If you are going to bring up something as a "lets not forget" point, why Palestine?

It is not the highest casualty conflict of this year, the last 5 years, etc.


It is another example of the new form war takes when it comes to casualties: highly asymmetric. It has recently been in the news, thus on my mind. No other reason I bring it up.


I don't think this is new

Civilians have always faired poorly in wars, ancient, modern or recent. Rome killed everyone in Carthage and salted the earth. The Mongols sacked Damascus killing everyone, then returning a week later to kill those who had escaped and returned. When the Soviets invaded Germany at the end of WWII 1.4 million women are estimated to have been raped, many dozens of times. Estimates of deaths resulting from rape reach 250,000.

We have seen somewhat of an erosion in the Geneva conventions, which did do something to curtail civilian harm.

The erosion of Geneva convention standards is partly due to a reaction to them. The effectiveness of asymmetric warfare is partly caused by a strategic use of "rules of war" by the weaker belligerent. Basically bringing the war into the civilian sphere restrains the stronger belligerent. Hamas can't fight an open battle against Israel and Iraqi paramilitaries could not fight that way against the US. This forces the stronger belligerent to either forfeit their advantage by using small arms in urban settings and accept soldier casualty rates, shell urban area causing civilian casualties or allow a status quo.

This strategy is completely ineffective against ISIS, for example because they are not restrained by these rules of war.

Rules of war evolve and erode partly with these dynamics. The Geneva conventions are just a modern version this institution and probably somewhere in the middle in terms of effectiveness.

The bloody status quo in Gaza is grafted on to modern rules of war. Israel cannot "win" by applying its full force to subdue or even depopulate Gaza in the way warfare has often been conducted in the past. Gazans cannot fight in the open.

Wars are a bloody affair. The idea that wars should be fought honorably between warriors and leave civilians in peace is not new. Civilians have usually suffered in wars nonetheless. We have never had any kind of deliberate attempt to stop that succeed. We have succeeded in minimizing wars though. The number of casualties from violence is in steep decline. The post WWII period is the least violent in perhaps all of human history.


Barely any US soldier, not barely anyone.


The 20th century didn't even start racking up real casualties until...right about now, actually.


There were 36 wars in the 20th century that started and ended before 1914.

Those wars had about 500,000 deaths.

http://www.war-memorial.net/wars_all.asp

    Chinese Govt vs Bai Lang (White Wolf) Rebels	1914 - 1914	 5,000	
    2nd Balkan War	1913 - 1913	 60,500	
    Kuomintang vs Chinese Army	1913 - 1913	 5,000	
    Moro Rebellion	1913 - 1913	 15,050	
    1st Balkan War	1912 - 1913	 82,000	[1]
    Paraguay Coups	1911 - 1912	 5,000	
    Italo-Turkish War	1911 - 1912	 20,000	
    First Sino-Tibetan War	1911 - 1912	 2,000	
    Cuba vs Partido Independiente de Color	1911 - 1911	 1,050	
    Chinese Revolution	1911 - 1911	 1,000	[2]
    Asir-Yemen Revolt	1910 - 1911	 9,000	
    French Conquest of Wadai Sultanate	1909 - 1911	 12,000	
    The second Rif War	1909 - 1910	 10,000	
    Portugese war against Dembos	1907 - 1910	 5,100	
    Ma al-’Aynayn’s Anti-Colonial Insurgency	1907 - 1910	 3,150	
    Korean guerilla war against Japanese occupation	1907 - 1910	 17,736	
    Iranian Constitution War	1908 - 1909	 1,100	
    Morocco unrest	1907 - 1908	 1,400	
    Romanian Peasant Revolt	1907 - 1907	 2,000	
    4th Central American war	1907 - 1907	 1,000	
    Dutch-Achinese War	1904 - 1907	 24,200	
    Sokoto and UK vs Mahdist Revolt	1906 - 1906	 2,080	
    Zulu Rebellion	1906 - 1906	 2,356	
    Third Central American war	1906 - 1906	 1,000	
    Russian Revolution 1905	1905 - 1906	 1,500	
    Maji Maji revolt	1905 - 1906	 8,840	
    Russo-Japanese war	1904 - 1905	 151,831	[1]
    Southwest African Revolt	1904 - 1905	 12,800	[1]
    Uruguay Civil War	1904 - 1904	 1,000	
    Second Yemen Rebellion	1904 - 1904	 30,000	
    Uprisings in Colonial Angola	1902 - 1904	 2,000	
    Ilinden Uprising	1903 - 1903	 6,330	
    The War of a Thousand Days	1899 - 1903	 100,000	
    Philippine insurrection	1899 - 1902	 20,500	
    Second Boer war	1899 - 1902	 30,800	
    The Boxer Rebellion	1900 - 1900	 3,003	
    Sino-Russian War	1900 - 1900	 4,000
EDIT: I'm on mobile. Sorry for the awful formating.


Well, let's look at this data on a plot

http://imgur.com/EuHcSzT

Conclusion: philwelch is not completely off.

(edit: make the graph less ugly)


Thank you for proving my point. Apparently pointing out that this century is going way better than the 1900s is a sin.

You should post this as an individual submission. That's a really nice graph.


That's almost deserving of its own post, nicely done.


500,000 deaths from 1900-1914? How many from 1914-1928? WWI alone had about 10,000,000.


Maybe where you live. Here in South Africa, the 20th century started with significant casualties as the British Empire expanded.


Significant casualties probably started even earlier - with the arrival of the Dutch slavers.


Casualties/war/violence did not start with the arrival of the Dutch as you are implying. Casualties/war/violence is part of human nature. For example there is clear evidence that the Bantus violently drove the Khoisan out of much of South Africa some 4000 years ago.

The long term trend is however that South Africa (and the rest of the world) is become less violent and more humane. For example slavery was abolished here in 1834.


I'm pretty sure those arrived before the 20th century.


Now we're in the 21st century. The 20th included two major world wars, as well as numerous smaller conflicts, including all the wars of colonial independence.


Pretty sure that "right about now" meant "about as far through the 20th century as we are currently through the 21st", i.e. December 1914, about 5 months into WW1.




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